MULTIMEDIA SIG:
PDF INFORMATION


PDF INFORMATION
(excerpts from posts to Storytell)

This page is for all information on PDF files...how to deal with them, difficulties encountered, how to save as a PDF file, etc.
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Query:
I want to add a .pdf file to my website. Have any of you have done the same, how difficult is it, or did you have webmaster take care of the work?

I have found the Create Adobe site online and will research it there but just thought I would ask the great brain as well. Thanks for your thoughts.
Karen C. 11/6/05
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Response: I purchased Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional a year or two ago. After it was installed, there were new buttons to create pfd files on the toolbars of MS Word, Powerpoint, and Excel. Plus when I'm looking at "My Documents" (where I can see which files are in which folders), I can highlight any filename, then click the right mouse button. Again, there's a new option there to create a pdf file.

No, I don't remember how much Adobe Acrobat 6.0 Professional cost. But I create pdf files all the time when I need to email info to people.
Kate D. 11/6/05
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Response: I hope the PDF is for downloading-- they are really obnoxious to encounter when surfing.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030714.html
Tim J. 11/6/05
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Response: Here is the URL for a free PDF convertor :
http://www.primopdf.com/
It is very easy to use. All that you have to do is choose primopdf on your list of printers.

Putting PDF files on your web site is the same as any other file. Just up load them to the server. When someone requests a file, their computer will either automatically load Adobe Reader to display the file or complain that it can't be found. Adobe Reader is a free download. If everything is set up correctly, reading PDF files is quire transparent to the end user.

The advantage of PDF files is the creator can send files that are exactly like the files on the home computer. The end user does not need any drivers or special fonts. Also if you type in other languages and scripts, they are automatically displayed on the target computer without problems.

If you want to see an example of multiple character sets, look at the web site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~byls-press/index.htm
The books available use English, Hebrew and illustrations. In Hebrew Names and Name Authority in Library Catalogs I throw in some Greek letters.
Daniel S. 11/6/05
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Response: I did it on my Story Tsunami site. It was easy. I just used my ftp program (which actually is Dream Weaver, the web site builder I use) to put the file into the http folder. And I put a link on a page to the pdf file. When you click on it, it automatically starts up Adobe Acrobat, etc.

So, the link looked like this:
"<a href="postertemplate.pdf"><strong>Poster template in pdf format</a>"

Couldn't be easier!
Lee-Ellen M. 11/6/05
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Response: Scary sounding but nothing to it. Just upload it to your site and set the like on the desired page and upload that. If you are using a publishing program like MS Front Page its automatic. Or use Windows Explorer and open it in Network Places and drag and drop from your computer.

BTW: Serifs desk top publishing program Page Plus can publish as a PDF and decodes PDF files imported in to it. Fantastic program. All the features of PageMaker plus some for way less money and intuitive in use. One of my main programs. http://www.serif.com
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Response: Well, these few synapses here have done it, and it was very easy. Then I had to send a Word doc to them and it was returned within a few hours as a pdf. I just uploaded that to my site - as easy as pie.
Richard M. Germany 11/7/05
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Response: I'll just add that there are various free utilities that create PDFs, so although various programmes, and Adobe's site online, will create them you can also do it from any programme for free. They usually come in the form of printer drivers, so you just create the document in any programme at all, select print, select the PDF 'printer' and it will create the file instead of printing. I can't remember the names of these utilities but a quick search on free pdf printer should do it.

If putting PDFs on you website - yes it's easy and just requires the file to be with all your webpages, with a webpage containing a link to it (the same for any type of file to see/download - Word docs, sound files, or other webpages, etc.). BUT as Tim J says, do warn people that it's a PDF file and preferably quote the file size too - that way people can choose to save the file to their computer rather than opening it directly in their browser which can take ages, especially if its a large file, or even crash browsers if they are overloaded. If possible, always give people a choice for accessing the same content - webpage or PDF - because plain webpages are far better for viewing on screen; PDFs are really for printing out.
Tim S. 11/7/05
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Response: There are some times when it is maybe appropriate-- and Karen's pages maybe among them (she has a huge file that somebody may want to look at, that is unlikely to get put up otherwise)-- but generally speaking, people really don't want to look at a PDF.

Making a PDF of an existing document is way easier than reformatting as HTML for the content provider, but it is also significantly harder work (and less pleasant) for the reader. Suddenly stumbling into a PDF file is an obnoxious experience, and in general people spend less time at sites that open pdfs in their browsers, especially unannounced. PDFs are good for printing, but are harder to read online than text in a word processer, text editor, or HTML.

Notice that none of the online magazines are PDF. That's because nobody would read them that way.

It is harder to cut and paste from a PDF-- this can be a reason to use it, I guess, it's less likely to get ripped off. On the other hand, by the same token, the content will not register with any search engine; this is a serious drawback.

Why do I care? Well I don't really, a button was pushed because I have an ongoing argument with my food coop. They make a newsletter and put a pdf of it on the web. Why? Nobody's going to read it there. Because that way they can say "we have it on the web." They seem to think it's odd that I have an opinion at all about it. Sigh.

Using PDFs is one of the top ten mistakes in webdesign, according to this guy, who actually does usability studies (i.e. watches people visiting websites, sees what they do, and asks them about it afterwards) on web design. I like his ideas, and his pages are very easy to read, though bare. He gets a *lot* of hits. Here are the links, again.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9605.html (top ten mistakes)
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030714.html (PDF: unfit for human consumption)
Tim J. 11/7/05
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Response: Tim is right. I have a number PDF files on my site but they are downloadable Coloring Sheets. I have also used then for forms to down load on sites I maintain. I NEVER use them as just web content. A proper HTM file is better. PDF has its use and that is all it should be used for.

To secure the data is not a reason. PDF files cam be disassembled, both text and graphics can be extracted in the free PDF viewer.
Bob S. 11/7/05
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Response: PDF's are actually a nightmare when it comes to web usability/readability. The main reason being : you need the proper Acrobat reader to view them.

Here are two detailed articles about PDF, written by the 'guru' of web usability : Jakob Nielsen
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20010610.html
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20030714.html
Frank G. 11/7/05
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Response:
Quote: " PDF's are actually a nightmare when it comes to web usability/readability. The main reason being : you need the proper Acrobat reader to view them.

Here are two detailed articles about PDF, written by the 'guru' of web usability : Jakob Nielsen"

The comments are a bit dated. Google now indexes PDF files. Google has an option to display PDF files as HTML files.

For my monthly Librarian's Lobby column, I just switched to using PDF files. PDF files display illustrations much better that HTML files. The PDF files look much better on the screen than HTML files, people can print them and have exactly what I intended, they are easier and faster to produce, and the number of downloads is no different than when they were posted in HTML format.
Daniel S. 11/7/05
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Response: I couldn't agree more. I have websites where there are lesson plans, company newsletters and forms that are interactive (with check boxes, etc.) that are all in PDF and numbers of people access them. With the newer Acrobat programs, PDF files are compressed and quick to open. The reader is free and I always include a link to download it (which takes almost no time). As with everything else on the Internet, it all depends.
Chris K. 11/7/05
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Response: I have to agree here. PDF format is now an industry standard and most computers automatically come with the Reader. In addition, most software and hardware for computers comes with the .pdf of the user's manual on the disk. It's simply the standard. There are many companies that make programs for writing .pdf files- some for no cost. I use the system called "CUTEPdf." It's free and its available here: http://www.cutepdf.com/. There is no need to pay $400+ to buy the Adobe program.

Don't use .pdf form for everything. Use it for the rare times when you need people to get something in an exact format like a poster or a specialized newsletter. I did send a sample of my booking contracts to this list, for example, when I wanted you to see my layout. Google does index .pdf files and even gives folks an option in the search results to view the file as a .pdf or .html file. It's an interesting feature.

In some cases, like Dianne's "Story Biz" 400 page manual, we offer it for download from storytellingproducts.com in a .pdf format. It gives people an option to save a bunch of money, use one less tree and have it in a searchable format on their computers. They can download it and then print only what they want while still having access to the rest. And, when we gave away one of Dianne's manuals for free a few months ago, there was no practical way to get that book to folks other than in the .pdf form we had.

We talk about .pdf files in our "WebTales" Telecourse. Come participate in that if you'd like. It's just $3.95 and there's one Tuesday morning if you'd like.
Here's the link if you want to register:
https://www.shop.creationcompanyconsultants.com/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=53&categoryId=
Sean B. 11/7/05
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Response: I have NEVER had a problem. Yes you need the correct (actually usually latest version) of the reader program which is FREE. What about that price don't you like? It is good for anything you want the viewer to be able to print and use. Printing HTM files doesn't always work right because of document width.

Even the ref you specified says don't use for viewing. They are for printing. Plus the references are pretty out of date and sounds like someone with an ax to grind. They did mention problems sometime with older MACs. Used properly that are great. I really don't know why anyone would use one just the view on screen.
Bob S. 11/7/05
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Response: I didn't want to start a quarrel about the goods and odds of PDF. I merely wanted to stress the fact that you need an extra piece of software to be able to read it, which could scare off some novice internet users (we do actually have some in our company.

You are correct, Acrobat reader is free, and there are free PDF creators too. For me, the discussion should only be about when do I use PDF, and not "should I use PDF" - because it truely is an interesting alternative to HTML in many cases.

You should also try out "Flash paper", the newest hype from Macromedia. But with the recent takeover by Adobe, I doubt this format will ever reach the same popularity as PDF. It has some arguments tough : the Flash plug-in needed to read the format is standard in many browser (you don't need to install it seperately), as opposed to PDF.
Frank G. 11/7/05
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Response: Now Flash is something you don't want on your web site, esp. the front page. They are cute, BUT, remember many potential bookers don't have hi speed connections. The "Loading" or "Please Wait" is another way of saying "Try someone else."

On the same subject, don't put those, "Click here to Enter" on your front page as a Splash Page. Didn't they just click to get there? Have some respect for your viewers. If you want a splash page then make it automatic.
Bob S. 11/7/05
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(Updated 11/8/05; 2/20/07)



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